100 episodes later...still Talking Rubbish

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hi everyone, thank you for joining Talking Rubbish Episode 100. A little bit different today. Robbie and I decided to play some games and have a bit of fun, and we did that live in front of a group of influencers over on YouTube. So you might hear references to people being in the chat or partaking in quizzes, and that all happened while we recorded it live. This is the start of us moving to video. So if you're on YouTube, Spotify, or Apple and you unlock your phone now, you should be able to see me talking to you. And you could watch this entire episode, and every episode of Talking Rubbish from now on will be completely in video. So we really hope you enjoy that. There's nothing left for me to say other than enjoy episode 100. Hello, welcome to Talking Rubbish. I'm gonna be honest, this doesn't feel right for episode 100. I don't feel like I should do my normal intro. So uh let's hand it over to the influencers.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Hello! Welcome to Talking Rubbish, a weekly podcast delving deep into the world of recycling and discussing the truth behind the snappy headlines and one-sided stories. In this episode, we are celebrating reaching episode 100 in our first ever technique feature. And very likely to go along completely live episode. Join us as we reflect on the amazing journey so far. He's James Piper, author of the Rubbish Book. And he's joined by Robby Stanley for his far from rubbish friend.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

Hello. Oh, something's gone wrong here. We're frozen.

SPEAKER_03 1:35

Uh hold on.

SPEAKER_02 1:37

We're not in booths anymore. Hang on, yeah. This doesn't feel right. Maybe if I just press this button here. Hi everyone! This is very exciting. There's people saying they listen at one and a half speed and say this is quite slow, so we need to talk faster, Robbie.

SPEAKER_03 1:55

Talk quicker. Hurry up, get to the good stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:58

So first things first, let me say thank you to Danny, Emily, Kay, Rebecca, Melanie, Chloe, my mum, Christoph, Mandy, David, Joy, Jonathan, Matt, Peter, Jay, Judith, Jill, Kirsty, Dan, Ryan, Joel, Charlotte, Oliver, and James, who all contributed to our introduction. Thank you so much, guys.

SPEAKER_03 2:17

Yeah, thanks so much. I mean, the work that went into stitching that all together to do your intro, it was so good.

SPEAKER_02 2:24

Yeah, the amazing thing was I gathered everyone from Discord, so I put up a thing on Discord saying we need to do a live intro like this if you want to take part. And I thought we might get like one or two. And within about five minutes, I had 30 people liking it. So I was like, how long can I make the intro? So we just had to keep extending the intro music. Put another line in. It was unbelievable. We had to keep extending the intro music to fit all the lines in. So that's why it just carries on. That's why the person who said one and a half times speed, they're like, it's really slow.

SPEAKER_03 2:55

I must admit, when I listen back, I'm on 1.2 times speed. Okay. So I hear them. I think 1.5 is a bit faster, isn't it? We'll be talking like this the entire time.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

Gosh, and Robbie, I am so relieved we have made it here because the influencers may not know. I mean, they might know, but for the last five episodes or so, your microphone has just completely broken. And so we've been putting our producer through his paces trying to clear you up and fix it. Like, but we've been refusing to create e-waste. I'm like, we can't throw out this microphone, five episodes left to go. So we have really hobbled over the line here. Yeah, every time I've heard the playback, it's like, I don't sound like that.

SPEAKER_03 3:35

It's all crackly and stuff. But honestly, we couldn't work out what to do with it. Anyway, those dark days are behind us now. Thank you, Greg, for sorting out the sound. I don't think anybody noticed by the time it got published.

SPEAKER_02 3:47

Thank you so much, Greg. And uh yeah, people are saying they like the shelf behind us, the rubbish or not wall. Uh, this is every rubbish or not I think we've ever we've ever had.

SPEAKER_03 3:57

It's amazing, yeah. When we were putting this together, it was so fun. Although I must admit, there was a last-minute dash to find this pillowcase here uh back into James's house. So thank you very much, James, for contributing some of your own stuff. Yeah, I mean, quite a lot of it's mine actually.

SPEAKER_02 4:14

I didn't want to buy, I didn't want to buy new things, but yeah, uh, we got our puzzle made up. I quite like that. I've been using this as like a meeting space, so in the background of my meetings, it's been a puzzle of the two of us, which has been absolutely great. So, yeah, we've spent a few months building this, creating a little space for us to do our uh podcast from. From now on, we're switching to video.

SPEAKER_03 4:34

Have we got a name though? What is it? Rubbish Towers or the rubbish studio.

SPEAKER_02 4:38

Yeah, the rubbish HQ. Yeah, that's good. Yeah, so uh it means we're fully video. So from now, next week, this episode's going out next Thursday, and we will put it up on Apple, Spotify, and YouTube, hopefully, assuming the tech works, completely in video. So you should be able to see that. So if you're listening to this next Thursday when it goes out, if you unlock your phone now, you should be able to see us. So I just feel like people should give us a way. Oh no, we should give a wave to people. There's no point anyone else giving us a wave. Let's wave everyone, just if they've unlocked their phone. Hello. We want to have some fun. It's episode 100. We want to play some games, we want to answer questions. If you guys have them, again, I don't know how I'm gonna find them in the chat, but I'll do my best. Um and yeah, we just want to have some fun here.

SPEAKER_03 5:26

Yeah, so we're not doing any of our usual features, are we? We need to sort of make this declaration because people are gonna think the podcast has totally changed for a but this is just a special for the hundredth episode. So no usual features.

SPEAKER_02 5:39

Robby, you set me up beautifully because I think I might just do one if that's okay.

SPEAKER_03 5:51

So I've got no idea what's coming. What's this addition and correction?

SPEAKER_02 5:55

Yes, it's time for additions and corrections. And this is because, right, I was preparing our social clip for episode 98, and one of them was about Dun Elm, right? So I don't know if you guys remember, but we were talking about asbestos in the Dun Elm product. And uh what they'd basically said is there were some door stops filled with sand. That sand might contain asbestos, and they wanted you just to throw it in the general bin. Yeah. And at the time that I was recording that, I screenshotted it and said, right, we're gonna put that as a social clip.

SPEAKER_03 6:27

So someone asked the question, you went to the website, saw that it's there, potentially misadvice.

SPEAKER_02 6:33

Correct. Now, what they did was they updated the advice after our episode went out. So when I went back, it said, We'll take care of disposing of this safely for you. Please double bag the product, seal it securely with tape, and return it to your local store for a refund. So are they joining the talking rubbish hall of fame? I don't think they get a clap because they did something stupid at the start. Ah. They do actually, sorry, they go on to say, I'll just finish this off. They say, alternatively, you're welcome to dispose of the item yourself. If you choose to do this, we recommend contacting your local authority for guidance, as disposal methods can vary between councils. So they basically said what we said on the episode. That's amazing. So I don't know if it was us.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

Okay. But I mean, it's suspiciously similar to the advice we gave.

SPEAKER_02 7:20

Literally a day after our episode.

SPEAKER_03 7:22

Okay, well, that was a worthwhile addition and correction. I'll give you that.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

We have an addition and correction, but other than that, we have none of our usual features. Uh, but we do have games.

SPEAKER_03 7:32

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 7:33

So we thought we'd start by testing whether you know fact from fiction. So what we're gonna play is two truths, one fly tip.

SPEAKER_03 7:46

I thought it was two truths and a lie. Okay. Yeah, there's two truths and a fly tip. Okay, fine. Okay. Well, I've prepared the ones for you, so I think I'm on the right line with my one. Okay. And you've got one for me, yeah. I've got I've got one what, sorry. You've got two truths and a lie that I'm gonna have to. I've got a fly.

SPEAKER_02 8:03

Two truths and a fly. I've actually got two lots of them for you.

SPEAKER_03 8:05

Oh, okay. Oh wow, okay. So Oh god, you're really putting me to the sword here.

SPEAKER_02 8:09

Yeah. So you guys can play along. We'll do the f so this chat, assuming this poll has come up correctly, if it hasn't, just put A, B, or C in the chat. Um, the first one from me is gonna be headlines, okay? So two of these headlines are true and one of them is a lie. Okay. So the first one is at a landfill in Chig sorry, at a landfill in Chingford, which is in North London, an embalmed rabbit was rescued from Lamfeld and sold in a reuse shop. Okay, so that's the first one. Embalmed rabbit, okay. The second one, the city of Frankfurt paid nearly one million euros for a report on why waste is dumped, and a printed copy of that report was later found in a ditch. And finally, scientists at the University of Edinburgh have figured out how to turn fat burgs into perfume. So one of those is a lie, two of them are true. Oh my word. Can anyone work out which is which?

SPEAKER_03 9:11

Is the poll working? Are you starting? I can't see the responses.

SPEAKER_02 9:15

No, it's not. I can see A. I can't see anything other than A. I can see that A currently has and what are we saying? Sorry, this is the lie you're voting for. The lie. Yeah. So there's two truths and one fly tip. Maybe though I shouldn't have said that to you. That's given you some clues. What are you thinking? Embalm rabbit, uh rescued from landfill sold in a Ryu shop. A fly tipping report fly tipped.

SPEAKER_03 9:37

Oh, I'd love that to be true.

SPEAKER_02 9:38

The University of Edinburgh have um figured out how to turn fat birds into the room.

SPEAKER_03 9:42

I'd love that to be true. Okay, I'm gonna go for the embalm rabbit.

SPEAKER_02 9:45

The embalm rabbit. The embalm rabbit is true.

SPEAKER_04 9:48

What?

SPEAKER_02 9:49

Yes, so this was um it was a rabbit that was used to teach veterinary students. Oh, yeah. And it was in a perspex box in the landfill. And a um a lady saw it and thought, I've got someone who likes buying weird stuff. And so they got it out of the landfill, put it in the reuse shop, and the lady who likes buying weird stuff did indeed buy it.

SPEAKER_04 10:09

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_02 10:10

And then so it's like in a sort of display case, embalmed image display case. Okay, fine. And then the University of Edinburgh one is true, the perfume, fat burgs into perfume. And this was they found uh they got some bacteria, which they introduced to the fat berg, and when the bacteria breaks it down, they leave a byproduct that smells of pine. And so the fat burger is produced by the bacteria and then has a pine smell. And the fly tipping report that was fly tipped, I made up because I also would love it to be true, but I completely made it up.

SPEAKER_03 10:42

Oh, very good. Well, for my two truths and a lie, I was a little bit worried about doing headlines, you know, recycling headlines, because I thought we might potentially choose the same ones.

SPEAKER_02 10:53

I was very nervous. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:55

And if I had found those headlines, I definitely would have chosen some of those. So instead, I've slightly subverted the two truths and a fly tip, although uh there is some uh an element of littering in here, so close to fly tipping. Um so I've twisted the theme, I've got two truths and a lie from my life in recycling this week. So we don't have residual rubbish this week. So I I feel like I need to share something from my life. Nice. Okay, so this is A, clearly. This week I was caught by my daughter littering a packet of roast beef monster munch.

SPEAKER_02 11:35

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 11:36

This week I bought flavour, sorry. Roast beef.

SPEAKER_02 11:39

Oh, sorry, roast beef. I think it's a big thing. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 11:41

Roast beef monster munch. That's potato chips for our American listeners. This week I bought milk in a single-use container because I was too lazy for the one-minute walk to refill my glass bottle. Okay. That's B. And C, this week I got into a verbal altercation with a colleague about whether sandwich boxes could be recycled or not.

SPEAKER_02 12:08

Okay. Can you say B again at 1.2 times speed?

SPEAKER_03 12:12

This week I bought milk in a single-use container because I was too lazy for the one-minute walk to refill my glass bottle. I believe it.

SPEAKER_02 12:21

Okay, I definitely believe the sandwich box one because that's exactly the kind of thing you do with a colleague. So which one was the lie?

SPEAKER_03 12:30

Was it A, B, or C?

SPEAKER_02 12:32

I'm going to say the milk. You would never. You love refill milk. You love kefir. What's it, Kafir Yoger? Absolutely. B's a lie. Incorrect. I was going with the masses as well. They said 43% said B. Second was A, 30%, and then C was 27%.

SPEAKER_03 12:52

You were phoning a friend. Well, it was the 27% that got it right. A sandwich pack. I did not get into a verbal altercation with a colleague. It was not a verbal altercation. They simply read the label and asked me if it was true. Because the on-pack recycling label said you can recycle this. And they were surprised at that. And I said, Yes, by all means believe the label. So, the roast beef monster munch. I was surfing with my daughter this weekend, and I devoured them so quickly because I was so hungry at the end of it. And I took the crisp packet under my bag, and upon my return, my daughter said, I've been chasing around this packet of crisps in the bay. But it does highlight that not all littering is deliberate and intentional. But the carelessness with which I did it is certainly not an excuse. And then when it comes to the single-use milk, I mean it was world refill day yesterday, so this was an absolute shocker. And it made me feel really guilty about it. But if I'm honest, I had a weak moment in the supermarket and I was passing the milk section. I knew I was out of milk and probably wouldn't have time to go and get my glass refill bottle refilled, which literally is a minute's walk from my house. So I just grabbed the HDP bottle off the shelf. Very naughty of me.

SPEAKER_02 14:15

Original Ethel. Original Ethel. She's here. Really? Is this this has to be for the body? Okay, if this is actually Ethel, we're glad you're here. Says we trusted you, Robbie. Hopefully you're not ripping your ears off, Ethel. Stop laughing. She's not gonna like that. Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_03 14:38

Have we got time for one?

SPEAKER_02 14:40

I've got one, and I I think this is quite good. Okay, this is called the Two Truths and a Fly Tip, but specifically name related. Okay? Name related. It'll all make sense in a second. Yeah. And I've set up the poll already, and already people have voted and they haven't heard anything yet. So 50% of people think it's A, 50% of people think it's B. They haven't even heard the answer.

SPEAKER_03 15:03

Okay. They're still voting on the last one, maybe. Maybe they got the same.

SPEAKER_02 15:06

It'll make sense in a second. The name, are you ready? A six-foot python surprised a recycling centre in Surprise, Arizona. Double surprise. Double surprise. An eight-foot alligator was liberated from Liberty Recycling in Alabama. Or a dog was caught dumping rubbish on Dump Road, which is in Farnborough in the UK. Oh my gosh. You're going with Surprise in Australia. They're all real places. Surprise in Australia, where a snake surprised the recycling centre. The liberated alligator, which was liberated from Liberty Recycling Centre, or a dog that was caught dumping rubbish on Dump Road in Farnborough, the UK. I'm gonna go for Dump Road. That's a real place, isn't it? It is a real place. The lie is not the place. The lie is the story.

SPEAKER_03 16:02

I am going to go for a the Australia. Surprise. Surprise, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:06

Oh, you surprised me. Um it is, in fact, C, it was the dog. Now that is a real story, but it happened in uh Sicily in Italy. Did you see this story?

SPEAKER_04 16:17

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 16:18

So what happened is a guy was fly tipping, but they had CCTV like on the road where the fly tip was. Yeah. So he trained his dog to drag the rubbish to the fly tip. So the CCTV just filmed the dog, not the person. If you guys I'll put this in our link tree for people listening to this next week, but if you guys look this up, dog dumping rubbish in Italy.

SPEAKER_03 16:40

That ingenuity absolutely. I mean, it's not amazing. I said it's amazing, it's not amazing. It's terrible but impressive.

SPEAKER_02 16:47

Quite the story. So if you manage to spot the lie, congratulations to the people who did that.

SPEAKER_03 16:52

Neither of us managed to spot any of the lies. We're obviously not good detectives. That's correct.

SPEAKER_02 16:57

That's correct. But you know, don't worry if you didn't get it, including me and Robbie. Don't worry, it's all good. Um, and I we would like to get some questions from influencers, but we did have someone email in a while back, a few weeks ago, someone called Amy. And Amy said, Hi James and Robbie, I wondered if you had already chosen a topic for your 100th podcast episode. I would love to hear a Robbie and James QA episode, which we already haven't done because we've just been doing games, but mainly to know about our careers. So, what she would love to know, what interested us in the topic, how we got into the industry. So she said, I love the podcast, can't stop talking rubbish. Thank you, Amy. So, Robbie, do you want to kick us off? It all started at Ikea for me in bargain calling. You were lost in Ikea, you thought. I was lost in IKEA. I need to be interested in that. IKEA is really complicated, and I feel like I can make this simpler.

SPEAKER_03 17:51

When I eventually see daylight again, I'm really going to appreciate the environment outside. No, I was doing a temping job, as you well know, James, uh, fixing up the furniture in Bargain Corner, and that was brilliant because we were like trying to put furniture together, two broken packs that had been sort of split apart, and we were trying to put them together to make a good one. It was great because obviously it was saving the amount of rubbish that was going into the general waste skip, but also was economical because it was worth paying someone on a temporary contract like me at the time to uh erect all this furniture and then they could sell it and things. And eventually that sort of migrated into a role looking at all of the waste for IKEA for some of their stores and uh starting to trade in recycler as all the landfill taxes were going up. So, in terms of the start of the career, I was definitely inspired amazingly potentially in the steel box that is IKEA. We've probably not got time to go through my CV in terms of roles that I've had at EcoSurety, where I've spent coming up for 15 years. But I think the one thing that I would say about that is taking the opportunities to do optional extra roles in addition to my primary role was probably the key part of my career that I enjoyed the most. So I knew that I really wanted to advise government to try and make system change, to try and improve. And now we do have EPR five or well, it's more like seven or eight years after I flagged the topic to government, it's finally come through. So I was really happy with that. And my proudest moment, which I probably I do know this, and it's the first thing that would come to mind, is the fact that we're all gonna get flexible plastic collections from the doorstep next year. I absolutely did not do that single-handedly. We've had Gareth on the podcast previously, you played a role in it too, James, and many other brands and retailers for their part. So lots have played their role, but I'm definitely most proud of the fact that we're actually gonna get this stuff collected to be recycled in April next year.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

Yeah, it's absolutely amazing. That's a good notable achievement.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

That's nice. What about you? And you can't use that notable achievement, even though you did play a role in it, to be fair.

SPEAKER_02 20:09

I haven't given this as much thought as I should have done, considering the question came in a couple of weeks ago. Um yeah, I think for me, I talked about it on the podcast. David Asenford was such a big influence for me and and um the Planet Earth series, Blue Planet, all those things. I I just was obsessed with wildlife and really wanted to well, I've taken it up in scuba diving and things that I've done subsequently that I really enjoy. Um and I think then meeting him at my graduation, which I mentioned on the podcast before, kick-started me into I need a career doing something, something good for the planet. And his speech at the graduation was all about you know, don't waste this potential. And so I found this very small company, EcoSurety. I was employee number seven. Um we were called budget pack back then. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, we were we were very, very small, and I really loved it. I loved talking to brands, talking to retailers. I loved I really enjoyed selling. That was I enjoyed like talking about packaging and packaging compliance, and and was lucky enough that after about six years there, um, we'd grown it a little bit and and they offered me the position of CEO, which was just amazing. And so I took it over, helped grow it to about I don't know what it was when I left, maybe 50 people. Uh grew it quite rapidly. We're now up at a hundred people. It's absolutely amazing uh uh that journey that we've been on over the last what's it been? Um 2009 I joined, so 17 years. Um and yeah, helping people. I still enjoy talking to brands and retailers about packaging compliance, about PRNs and all that stuff. I love it. And I guess I saw the opportunity, having picked up all of his knowledge, I saw the opportunity of starting a podcast and saying, actually, let's just share that knowledge, and yeah, now here we. Are a hundred episodes later, it's it's crazy. I'm gonna say my notable achievement is setting up the podcast.

SPEAKER_03 22:05

Oh, yes. I'm really proud of it. There's some inspiration that can be taken from that. That if you actually get yourself into a green career, green economy, and grow with a company, grow with an organization, you can uh you can really make a great career out of something that's good for the planet. I suppose the other thing, we both sort of picked up that theme, and I hate this term, side hustles, but it is a bit like what are you gonna do with the information and knowledge and passion that you have generally for the environment, for those people who are probably listening out there and watching now, um, is thinking about how you can extend that beyond just your day-to-day day job. In your example, you know, us setting up the podcast and stuff, in my example, sitting on advisory committees. I know you've also got some various chairing roles and non-exec roles and things. And I think it's that kind of big thinking. What can I do with this passion that's probably the best piece of careers advice I could give to Amy?

SPEAKER_02 23:04

Yeah. Robbie, I think it's time for another game. This podcast has had around 300,000 downloads. I think it's just gone over 300,000 downloads in 176 countries, and we've had over 10 million views on social media. Mostly because we're so boring that people comment and share it. Who are these chumps? Yes, absolutely. But the question for this game is where do most of our listeners come from? And we know the answer is the UK. 80% of our listeners come from the UK. We don't need a poll for that one. But what about further afield? And right now it's the World Cup. We thought we would play the Waste Cup instead of the World Cup. Now, this is a better pun than it sounds, because not only is it a pun on World Cup with Waste Cup. The Waste Cup, yeah. But it's in a cup.

SPEAKER_03 23:56

The game is in this cup on the shelf. And and it is waste because it's taken all the names are taken out of a newspaper or something.

SPEAKER_02 24:05

Yes, I didn't want to like use virgin paper, so instead I got a newspaper that I was gonna read anyway, and cut all the names. Now, what this is is all the countries currently competing in the World Cup. So all 48 are in here. Are in there. Okay. We're gonna pick one each, and then Robbie has a laptop in front of him. This is Robbie's one responsibility on the tech. Okay, this is the one thing you can do.

SPEAKER_03 24:29

I can tell you're nervous, James. I can tell you're nervous.

SPEAKER_02 24:33

Robbie is going to pick a country. I'm going to pick a country. It could be any of the countries of the 48. If we get England or Scotland, we know that's going to be the highest. They'll know it's a fix if it's England, Croatia. We'll do like how many rounds? Three rounds, four rounds? Three rounds, yeah. So we're going to pick two each, as in, sorry, one each to get two, and we've got to decide where we have more listeners. Okay, what between us? We've got to come to a negotiated agreement. Or we can have a question. We can have different opinions on that. And I want and it would be great if people on the chat could say what country they think is highest of the two. So if you take the first one out.

SPEAKER_03 25:06

Okay. So this is for how many listeners in this country? Is it more for my team, which is And I I am praying, I don't get Bosnia. Because what is it, Bosnia? Bosnia-Herzegovina. Yeah, I can't say Herzegovina. My team is Holland. Holland by Liverpool's Virgin Van Dyke. It says here. Virgil van Dijk. Versus Paraguay.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

Okay, so have we got more listeners? Normally I get you to check my pronunciation. Now I'm like panicking. I'm reading these words and I'm like, I know how to say Paraguay. But why does it not sound like a word?

SPEAKER_03 25:42

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 25:43

So No, wait, you're cheating. You're gonna look at it before you've given an answer.

SPEAKER_03 25:46

I'm gonna say I'm looking at it because we haven't got Holland here. Uh never. We've got Netherlands. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Our system is the Netherlands and this newspaper was Holland. I think the Netherlands is actually correct. So you got it right, not the Newspaper. No, I thought that was quite weird that they said Holland. There must be a reason.

SPEAKER_02 26:05

Anyway.

SPEAKER_03 26:07

I think it is the Netherlands stroke Holland.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

Um, I'm going to say Holland because I think it's also the Netherlands or Holland.

SPEAKER_03 26:16

So in the Netherlands we have 1,656 all-time downloads, is that? Uh yes. Yeah. Yeah, it listens, yeah. And then I'm doing my alphabet, my ABCs. And in Paraguay, our all-time downloads are I don't know. Four. A dozen. Twelve. Twelve, nice. It's more than four. Twelve. Hey, we're over-indexing. That's three times more than you thought, James. There we go. Okay, who've you got next? Uh one yet.

SPEAKER_02 26:50

Oh, here we go. Maybe we should. Now I've looked at this, maybe we should just do like uh whatever you draw is your country. Oh what? It better not be England. Depends what you've got. If you've got England, I don't want to play this game. Um I have Scotland.

SPEAKER_03 27:03

Oh, you've got Scotland. Surely you've got loads from there. We do have a lot of. Oh, I've got Portugal, which I actually think there's quite a lot of people, digital nomads in Portugal. So I'm gonna go Portugal.

unknown 27:16

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:16

I'm gonna go Scotland.

SPEAKER_03 27:18

Okay, well, let's see then. It's definitely Scotland. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 27:22

Sorry, I've spoiled this one, but I mean I know there's loads of then Scotland and then Wales. I know. Okay, fine. I know Latva top three. That's it.

SPEAKER_03 27:31

Okay, Scotland, all-time downloads, 15,487. Yep. Portugal, 386. It's respectable. It's respectable. It's respectable. It is absolutely respectable. Okay, we're gonna do another. Maybe we should come back to this. This is actually quite fun. Yeah. I want to try draw one where it's like we could do all 48. We could miss the England game playing this World Cup. This is, I mean, there's no guarantee we've got football fans uh watching and listening to this. Maybe they would rather. Okay. So I drew the USA.

SPEAKER_02 28:13

Oh, this is I think that's big. This is actually going to be quite tough because it's versus France. This is tough. Oh gosh. This is the first I have not got a clue.

SPEAKER_03 28:25

Okay, so we've got who have got USA.

SPEAKER_02 28:28

I actually have no idea.

SPEAKER_03 28:29

I'm going to I think isn't English speaking.

SPEAKER_02 28:32

I mean France is so close, but isn't English speaking Lots of people. No, I'm not going to say what the chat's saying. I'm going to go France. I'm going USA. Okay, that's good. The chat is USA.

SPEAKER_03 28:42

All the way is USA all the way. The chat is USA. Ooh, can you remember what the number was for Scotland? Because it's pretty close. Let's check that in a second.

SPEAKER_04 28:51

Really?

SPEAKER_03 28:51

I thought Scotland would have been quite far ahead. United States, 15,634 all-time downloads. Okay. France, 2,397. Oh, okay. USA's big. We need a French-speaking edition. Right, let's quickly go through to Scotland. USA, as I thought, has had more all-time downloads than Scotland.

SPEAKER_02 29:18

I don't know a top three. The trouble is, I don't know the UK broken out. That is tricky. Normally I see UK.

SPEAKER_03 29:24

UK's massive. And I, yeah, they've split out into England, Scotland. So the US like us more than Scotland. 15,634 versus 15,487. It's pretty close. Cool. Right, should we park that one or do we want to do one more? Let's do one more. I quite like it. US France was the best one we could. Okay, let's do another one. Right, let's announce it quickly so they can start getting it in the chat. Uh, Senegal. Versus the Czech Republic. Okay, this is tough. Okay, that is gonna be tough. They're both gonna be pretty low.

SPEAKER_02 29:57

Okay, we can pick different answers. So, whatever you want, I'll have the other one.

SPEAKER_03 30:00

Well, I really enjoyed Senegal last night. It was a spirited performance versus France in the football. So I'm going Senegal.

SPEAKER_02 30:07

Okay, I'm going Czech Republic, which I'm pleased to say is what the chat is saying.

SPEAKER_03 30:12

Really?

SPEAKER_02 30:12

And I feel the chat's been completely right so far.

SPEAKER_03 30:16

Okay, let's dial in Czechia. Chechia. And Senegal, which is close to Scotland, so that'll be easy to get to. Oh, it's low numbers and it's pretty close.

SPEAKER_02 30:31

Is it? Yeah, well I would have thought so, yeah. I didn't and I don't know where either of them sit.

SPEAKER_03 30:35

My thoughts were Senegal on 48. Czech Republic 64. There we go.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

Well done, chat. Well done there with the influencers.

SPEAKER_03 30:46

Clearly, they're much more expert in who listens to the podcast than either of us.

unknown 30:50

That's excellent.

SPEAKER_03 30:52

Now, Robbie. Oh, just before we move on, though, I felt obliged to give you a statistic about this or fun fact. See, look, who says I don't prepare for these things? Thank you so much. Out of the 48 countries competing for these things. Who says you don't prepare? Everyone says it. Everyone. I say it, and then everyone's listening going, really doesn't prepare. You speak on behalf of everyone. Fun fact. Did you know out of the 48 countries competing in the FIFA World Cup finals, just under half of them have extended producer responsibility for packaging? 23 out of the 48, nearly exactly half. Really? That is genuinely interesting. Have packaging EPR.

SPEAKER_02 31:36

Do you think I'll say that tonight on the commentary? And of course, England with their packaging EPR is.

SPEAKER_03 31:43

I really hope that Jonathan Pierce starts with that in his commentary. But of that 23, the question obviously, I went into Google and Microsoft's AI to compare them and compare the answer. They both agreed that there were 23 countries with packaging EPR. However, according to Microsoft, Australia does have extended producer responsibility, but Google said it doesn't. According to Google, Bosnia and Herzegovina does have producer responsibility, but in Microsoft they say it doesn't. So either answer is 23, but the 23 are actually made up of different countries by one, either Australia or Bosnia. When you're looking across to your friends on the sofa or in the pub watching the football, you can proudly say, Did you know that 23 out of the 48 countries in the FIFA World Cup have packaging extender producer responsibility? That's the kind of thing I would say to my friends.

SPEAKER_02 32:47

Very good. Right. Okay, we said at the start we wouldn't do any of our existing features other than the additions and corrections that we did. But Robbie, how about a new one? Oh. It's time for green grocer. I know. We thought episode 100, we need a new feature. Absolutely. We want to create the ultimate supermarket. Yeah. The green grocer. That's clever, isn't it? What a pun. So the idea is that each week Robbie's going to bring an item. I won't know what it's going to be, and we're going to have a chat about the best packaging to put that item in. And over time, I really don't want to say dream supermarket, because it feels like dream restaurant from off menu, but I can't think of anything else. So over time, we are going to build our dream supermarket. And I would like to keep this up to date so that everyone knows kind of what we recommended for different products. So eventually you get to a point where it's like, this is what we consider to be the perfect packaging. So Robbie, what have you selected as the first item?

SPEAKER_03 34:00

The first one is cheese. Cheese. And I'll be honest with you, cheese is just funny. So that's the only reason why I went for it. Now I didn't. I mean, it's going to take us a long time to build this green grocer if we start subdividing the types of cheese. So we're going to be talking about all cheese here and just gonna have to narrow it down maybe to a cheddar or something. And the thing that prompted me on this one was do you remember we talked about this in the podcast? I got sent a mystery rubbish or not in the post to my home postal address. Didn't have my name on it, it just said rubbish or not question mark.

SPEAKER_02 34:39

Oh yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:40

When I opened the envelope, it turned out to be sent by my father, and it was deli cheese wrapping packaging, where you could actually peel away the plastic layer from the paper and you could recycle the plastic layer in the soft plastics and the paper layer in the paper. And he was sort of trying to show look, isn't this brilliant? But it was in a slightly disconcerting way, uh, given he didn't put my name on the envelope. It just said rubbish or not. It did feel slightly stalkerish, Dad. I think he already knows that. But cheese definitely sent me down a bit of a rabbit hole, uh, or probably more appropriately, a cheese cave. Because that's really what packaging is trying to do. It's trying to emulate a cheesecave. Here's some of the articles I had to read in prep for this. An expert's take on storing cheese. Why are we still wrapping cheese in plastic? There's a right way to store your cheese. Here's how.

SPEAKER_02 35:38

We're also going to get an amazing puns for on the chat. We've got brilliant. I don't believe it. I mean, most people are going for the brie. Okay. You know. Has anyone said I like E dam, that's good. I like that one. But I can't see oh, carefully. What I like most is some people are saying, as a zero-way shop owner, I'm intrigued by this feature, as if we are gonna stop their shop for them. So obviously, the best answer to the zero-way shop owners is no packaging. You guys are doing a great job. Refill's good. Yes. But we're assuming refill is kind of off the table. This is a standard supermarket.

SPEAKER_03 36:11

Or always refill. The milk, for example, we'll probably get onto at some point. We wouldn't be going for the sort of niche in the novel. But surely the best pun is for me to just look straight down camera three and say, hello me. Hello me.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

But look, for me, it's like, why can't cheese be wrapped in paper? I sort of prefer that to flexible plastic when it comes to cheese. And I know Babybell, which is up on the shelf somewhere, have just moved to paper. Yeah, the nets there, I think. But obvious no, that's a that's the fruit netting. I think the baby bell's behind it, if I remember rightly. It might be up there somewhere. Anyway, Babybell has just moved to paper, but they can do that because they've got a wax around the baby bell itself. So I'm trying to understand. And if you remember, I went to the supermarket and I talked about this on the podcast before, and I bought a cheese that I thought was wrapped in paper, opened it, and it was just wrapped in plastic. So, Robbie, enlighten me. Why can't our supermarket pick paper?

SPEAKER_03 37:11

Okay, so as I mentioned before, the cheese cave is what they're trying to emulate. So there's two issues. The first issue is getting from production to shelf, and the second issue is what's useful at home once you've broken the seal of whatever it is you've bought. So, in terms of getting it from production to the shelf, the problem is that you've got airborne moulds and bacteria and after it leaves the production facility. And so it seems to be universally accepted that you have a vacuum-sealed pack. And you'll see the more sort of middle of the middle sort of tier towards premium will have those resealable packs, and that bit is for when you get home. But primarily it keeps the moisture out if you vacuum pack it, and it keeps uh all those kind of nasties out as well as the moisture. It can extend the shelf life by months, like literally months, packing it in a vacuum seal so as it can stay in the supermarkets for a lot longer. And traditional wax is obviously really good, isn't it? You know, you think, oh, you know, old style uh way of making cheddar, they would have all had waxes uh to wrap them up. But obviously that then causes an end-of-life problem because how you're recycling the wax.

SPEAKER_02 38:26

I love the Snowdonia cheese, you know, the one that's wrapped up. The black bomber. The black bomber.

SPEAKER_03 38:31

So good.

SPEAKER_02 38:32

And I'm I'm just left with wax. It's got to go in the bin or make a candle. Did we discuss this before? Whether you could make a candle as well.

SPEAKER_03 38:39

Well, it was for the baby bell rubbish or not, I think. We've started a new game, which is try and zoom in and find the baby bell on the shelf. Let us know in the chat if you've done someone's come into the chat with robbery. Robbery.

SPEAKER_02 38:51

We've got to acknowledge that before I lose it in the chat. That's brilliant.

SPEAKER_03 38:55

So good. Very good. Okay, so that was issue one, production to shelf. Issue two, once the seal is broken, it becomes open to the elements. And surely you'll know this, James, from whenever you've cut cheese and it's been cross-contaminated with a knife. Yeah, how quickly the cheese then grows mold and stuff like that. You need to make sure you use a clean knife. You must, must, must use a clean knife. Um, but when your party's over, what do you do with the cheese board to make sure that it continues to extend its life? And I read this long article that I'm actually just gonna spare you from, to be honest, even though I've got it all written out here. But the kind of hard cheese stuff, they're saying you can return it into its plastic wrap if that's what you've bought it in. However, you could also use those washable wax, you know, you can get those wax wraps that are actually like reusable cling film effectively, but wax.

SPEAKER_02 39:50

The beeswax things.

SPEAKER_03 39:51

The beeswax things, exactly. Yeah, I use those. Um but this is ones you've got at home. Are you this is ones you've got at home?

SPEAKER_02 39:57

So what are we doing in our dream supermarket?

SPEAKER_03 39:59

Well, that's the thing. If you've got the right things at home, you don't need to worry so it depends how you consume it in the supermarket. Are we gonna be eating this thing within three days at home, or is it something that we're gonna need to leave in the fridge for a month? I need a refined spec on greengrocer to decide.

SPEAKER_02 40:20

Okay, so I think we get to decide our dream consumer as well.

SPEAKER_03 40:25

Oh so.

SPEAKER_02 40:26

So let's imagine buying fresh. Yeah, because I love going to a deli shop and then wrapping it in paper and then eating that cheese quite quickly.

SPEAKER_03 40:34

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 40:35

So I think we should imagine a consumer because we'll build in these caveats as we build our supermarket, so many caveats. Eventually we'll have a Venn diagram of the perfect consumer. Okay. Currently, that is, I will buy this cheese and eat it within a couple of days.

SPEAKER_03 40:48

A couple of days. Within the week. Okay. Okay, well, in that example, then I think the paper is definitely a possibility because you're not going to need the resealable container, um, uh the resealable packet, sort of flexible packet to make it last a lot longer. And you're not so worried about whether it's soft cheese and you have to put it in a reusable plus plastic container with a lid, like a semi-soft cheese or something, or whether it's a blue cheese and you've really got to wrap it up so that it doesn't migrate.

SPEAKER_02 41:20

So this feature is going to be weekly. You're gonna come every week with a new item. Yeah. I don't think we've actually decided what have we said about cheese, it's gonna be local, wrapped in paper with the perfect consumer that eats it within like five days.

SPEAKER_03 41:31

And then the paper gets recycled.

SPEAKER_02 41:32

And I'd like a way, not like a deli where you say I want 100 grams of cheese. I'd just like different sizes of cheese on the shelves. Okay, so that you can go, this week I just want a small bit.

SPEAKER_03 41:43

Okay. I'm on a diet, I can't speak to 50 grammar. This week's a 500 grammar. Exactly. I've got friends coming over. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 41:51

So this is gonna be weekly, it's added to the roster. I don't know if everyone knows, but I have a rule that an episode can never be longer than an hour. Adding a new feature is really stupid.

SPEAKER_03 42:01

We're playing fast and loose with this hour, definitely. But we're going to do it.

SPEAKER_02 42:06

We're going to do it. I think it would be really nice. Uh, it'd be really nice to get some questions. I think now's the time. I'm just gonna, I'm gonna quickly give you some facts about the podcast while you guys write questions. So if anyone's got any quickfire questions for us, chat them in the chat.

SPEAKER_03 42:22

Now's the time to put in the quickfire questions.

SPEAKER_02 42:24

If you don't, I'm just gonna completely cut out the fact that I asked for questions and no one will ever know that no one responded.

SPEAKER_03 42:31

The power of editing.

SPEAKER_02 42:32

So let me give you a couple of quick facts about the podcast that you may or may not know. And one of these, well, let me start with the Do I know any of these movies? Yes, I don't know if people have realized, but the logo, the logo that we have for our podcast, this the rubbish coming off the umbrella all goes in the right bin.

SPEAKER_03 42:51

So the left hand side. You can see it on the puzzle up there.

SPEAKER_02 42:54

Yeah, the left hand side is recyclable and the right hand side is rubbish. And when we were designing our logo, I had to work out a long list of things that would go to the right and to the left. And so there you go. I just thought that was a good fact.

SPEAKER_03 43:10

And most of those things from the logo is now on the wall itself.

SPEAKER_02 43:16

And there's another secret which some people have heard before, if they've seen us speak at a live event, we have said this before, but I thought, and I did say I wouldn't mention it on the podcast because I quite liked it as just a live event thing.

SPEAKER_03 43:26

Well, let's edit it out of the podcast.

SPEAKER_02 43:28

If I decide, if I decide actually, I don't want to reveal this. Every episode has its own artwork, and in that artwork we have the word talking rubbish, and there's a bar above talking rubbish and a bar below talking rubbish, and the colours on those bars represent what the episode is about. It's a theme of the episode. The only one that is unthemed, because there is like a catch all in case we do something that I haven't themed, is gold. So if you see gold, that just means it didn't fit into the themes. But like, for instance, if you look All the interview ones, the bars are all red for interview. There's a refill one, there's a food waste one, there's a legislation one. So if you go to our website and have a look at legislation, they're all grey because legislation's boring.

SPEAKER_03 44:13

Thanks, James. Those are my favourites.

SPEAKER_02 44:15

I can't remember what colour. Food waste, I think, is brown to match our caddy. Maybe not. I can't quite remember. Might be green. Refill's definitely green.

SPEAKER_03 44:23

Um so maybe we should ask people. They're gonna quickly go look on the website and see if they can spot what the colours mean. Yeah. And pull it in the chat if you can manage to decide.

SPEAKER_02 44:33

I mean, the easiest way to decode it is on our website. We have a category drop down. You can just hit that and you'll see all the same colours. Don't give them the cheat code. Yeah, I'm very sorry. That makes it really easy. Right, we've had some questions in. Do we think this is probably one for you? Do you think simpler recycling, now simpler recycling has started, behaviour change has improved? What is your thought?

SPEAKER_03 44:58

I think there has been an uptick, or there was an uptick when things were released tail end of March, beginning of April, because and I have seen this and heard this from people who are not in the industry, uh, you know, friends, friends of family, etc. I now can recycle food waste at home. And so that's definitely cause an uptick. Okay. Well, you force them to be.

SPEAKER_02 45:24

Yeah, no, they have been so excited about getting their beans, getting food waste. Yeah, I definitely think there's been a change.

SPEAKER_03 45:29

I think there has been an uptick. The thing is, though, the big risk, I suppose, and my worry, I don't have the statistics on it, but my fear is that people do start wish cycling more and start thinking, if in doubt, put it in the recycling box. Really, people do still, even though simpler recycling is in, you do still need to go to your council's guidance for how to do it correctly because that is genuinely the best place to go. And I know their resources aren't all brilliant and perfect, but I think that's the place to go if you really want to be a good recycler.

SPEAKER_02 46:05

Great. And we've had a question here, how long does it take to edit the show after recording? So that's probably for me, Robbie.

SPEAKER_03 46:12

It takes me zero minutes of the show.

SPEAKER_02 46:15

How long does it take you to prepare for an episode of Talking Reports? A minute or two. You now you've got to now you've got Greengrosser.

SPEAKER_03 46:22

Greengrosser's gonna change it for me, yeah. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 46:25

Uh, how long does it take to edit? It's uh would this uh believe it or not, this is surprisingly coherent for us, this episode. We've kind of flowed and it's not been too stop start.

SPEAKER_03 46:34

There's usually a lot more mistakes than this if you think we've been making mistakes now. You should see the real thing.

SPEAKER_02 46:41

It's funny actually, you should ask this question because um there was one episode where we'd gone out the night before and we were really hungover. And we have a guy who does an amazing job, his name's Greg. We both meeting up with him this week, which we're super excited by. Um Greg is incredible, and what basically the process is we um and I'm gonna come back to the story. The process is we record the podcast, we send our recording to Greg. Uh, Greg then sort of joins it all together, makes it sound good, he puts it through a process to make it sound really good. Especially my mic is over the last five. Your mic over the last five, poor guy. And then I listen back to it and I go, okay, we need to cut stuff, we need to get it below an hour. And some of them have been a tra I think Eric's was the worst. You remember the Netflix um documentary? His was the worst. I think it came back to me an hour and uh I think it was an hour and twenty. And I had to cut out 20 minutes, and that was really hard. And most people said they love that episode. So I I still to this day feel guilty about that 20 minutes. I might release it at some point because it wasn't all interesting.

SPEAKER_03 47:42

It was probably just me laughing, though.

SPEAKER_02 47:44

The trouble is if we if we allow ourselves to go longer than an hour, we are getting worse and worse, aren't we? Every week.

SPEAKER_03 47:49

Yeah, scope creep.

SPEAKER_02 47:50

But every week our recordings are longer, and we have got up to about an hour and a half now.

SPEAKER_03 47:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:54

And we have to cut it.

SPEAKER_03 47:56

Struggled to fill 45 at the beginning.

SPEAKER_02 47:58

I know. Greg will send it back to me at like an hour and ten, hour and twenty. I listen back, I cut out whatever I need to cut out. Normally, every episode involves a long bit of paper of me going, I've cut out one second, two seconds, one second, three seconds. Oh my god. And then I have to add it all up with a calculator and go, okay, I've still got to cut another five minutes. And then um, I'll send those back. Uh, Greg will edit to its final form, and then I will upload it onto our system and uh before it goes out, and I will listen back to it to make sure it's all okay. Occasionally we have problems with the second edit, and so we have to do a third edit. But normally I've listened to an episode three or four times before it goes out.

SPEAKER_03 48:32

What's the quickest you and Greg have ever turned one around?

SPEAKER_02 48:35

We turned one around. The Netflix one. That was really fast because we recorded that on the Tuesday for it to go out on the Thursday.

SPEAKER_03 48:41

Whoa.

SPEAKER_02 48:42

And now we're moving to video. I'm sort of more in control with the edit. I think because Greg doesn't really do video, I'm gonna do some of the cutting it down to an hour. Yeah. And then he'll improve the audio. So I I think we are gonna try and record nearer to release because one of my frustrations has been the news being a little bit out of date. So I'd quite like to um maybe record a week in advance so the news is still relevant rather than a fortnight. So we're looking into that. Uh, but anyway, back to Greg's story. There was one day where you and I were so hungover, and Greg did text me and go, that was the hardest edit I've ever had to do. What you both sound miserable. And I can't even remember which episode it is. But I mean it came out fine, no one complained, but there were we have learned our lesson. Greg, take some of Robbie's laughter from one of the other episodes and just intersperse it. It was whichever one you said I had to run home to do the bins.

SPEAKER_03 49:32

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

And it is actually bin day today, and the bins are not out. Oh. So now I've got this gap between us finishing and the end of the game where I'm gonna do the bins.

SPEAKER_03 49:41

Okay, and I can help you do your bins.

SPEAKER_02 49:43

Isn't that so glamorous? We get off this lovely live recording where we've been talking to everyone, and the first thing I'm gonna do is run out and do the bins.

SPEAKER_03 49:50

Hey, listen, this is why it's such a popular topic to talk about, because everybody's gotta go out and do their bins at some point.

SPEAKER_02 49:56

Robbie, I have a little quiz for you that you didn't know was coming. I've sort of surprised you with this. Um I want to know how much you know about our podcast. Very little. Do we need a quiz for this, really? So in the early days, and you just can guess these. The first few are are like related to episode numbers. So I'm gonna give you a two-episode leeway. Okay? So if the answer was episode 20, if you say something between 18 and 22, I'll give it to you.

SPEAKER_03 50:28

Right. Okay. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 50:30

Oh my gosh, my memory is not do a full introduction. So I would say, hello, welcome to Talking Rubbish, a weekly podcast. But I wouldn't say in this episode, like that came in quite well, I'm not gonna tell you where. That came in somewhere, and I would like you to tell me what episode I first did a proper introduction.

SPEAKER_03 50:52

In this episode, I think it was before we changed the formatting of the episodes. And I don't even know when that is. Um I'm gonna go. It might be one of my questions.

SPEAKER_02 51:03

Episode 13. 13. Okay, within my two, I'm not giving it to you. It's episode eight. Eight, okay. Which was actually the EPR episode. And I've got a feeling I must have gone. I need to say what's coming after EPR so we don't lose people. It's so boring. We need to like make sure people stick around for the rubbish or not.

SPEAKER_03 51:23

Don't let Robbie loose on EPR. We'll never get any listeners.

SPEAKER_02 51:27

Okay, now what did you just say? You just said you don't know when we changed our format.

SPEAKER_03 51:30

Oh, when we change rebranded the order and we changed some of the sections and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 51:35

So, yes, in the early days we did a long introduction, like 15 minutes. Do you remember we had that email in? Oh no, it was a WhatsApp from someone going, Come on, fellas, I've been waiting 15 minutes and you still haven't started the trash talk. And I was thinking it's not live.

SPEAKER_03 51:48

Hey, it was good feedback, wasn't it? Because we did change our website.

SPEAKER_02 51:50

So we switched to the trash talk being straight away to keep people engaged. So when, what episode did we change the format?

SPEAKER_03 51:59

Oh gosh, this is so hard. I'm gonna go in the 20s and I'm looking for a flicker in your eyes to give me an indication that 20s is right. You're giving me absolutely nothing. I'm not giving you any clues.

SPEAKER_04 52:15

28.

SPEAKER_02 52:17

Robbie. Episode 46.

SPEAKER_01 52:22

46?

SPEAKER_02 52:23

We were 46 in. Do you remember? Because we did it around doing Earthfest. Uh, that event, yeah. Yeah, we did this Earthfest event where we've launched our new logo and yeah, 46. 46, okay. Gosh, almost halfway, wasn't it? When did I start doing the long hello? And there is a clue to why I started doing it. I think. I actually don't again, it's like in this episode I did it, maybe I then stopped doing it for a bit and then carried on doing it. So when did I first do a long hello?

SPEAKER_03 53:01

Early. Okay. Really, first ten.

SPEAKER_02 53:04

Okay. Oh, someone said, have I always said my far from rubbish friend? Yes. In every episode. In every episode, I think. Oh, really?

SPEAKER_03 53:12

That was always in there. I'm joined by.

SPEAKER_02 53:13

Because um originally I was going to record it with Ellie, who's my wife. Oh, yes. And I said my far from rubbish wife, which is so much worse than far from rubbish friend. So that was always like when both bad geys. Like three years before we did the podcast, I've got a recording, which I played on the podcast, didn't I? Where I said My Far from Rubbish Wife. Which is true, which is true. She is far from rubbish. Um nine. Nine. Okay. Um, I actually I prepared this for you. You genuinely don't know if this is coming. Are you ready? Hello. Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello.

SPEAKER_03 53:57

That was a Christmas one, was it?

SPEAKER_02 53:59

No, it was sounded great. It was episode 14, which was the Halloween one. Hello. Oh, yes. I remember that. That's how you would have got the clue, you see. Uh yes. Hello. Sounded better than I imagined hearing. I mean, I hate hearing my voice. Imagine hearing yourself say hello 14 times in a break.

SPEAKER_03 54:18

It did get slightly longer.

SPEAKER_02 54:21

It didn't work. I was going to do all 99.

SPEAKER_03 54:23

Hello, hello, hello, hello, hello, hello.

SPEAKER_02 54:25

I was going to do all 99, but it would have been so long. But I think the track club was the first time. And then I seem to remember Rich saying, I missed your hello this week. I really liked it being longer. So then from then I had to carry on doing it.

SPEAKER_03 54:37

Okay, there we go.

SPEAKER_02 54:38

Robbie, how many Apple reviews have mentioned your laugh?

SPEAKER_03 54:42

Oh gosh, we've had hundreds of Apple reviews now. Have we had over 300 Apple reviews, I think? People don't always write every time I'm not in Apple. Okay, that means that's the same thing.

SPEAKER_02 54:55

If you're you know, if you're looking to leave us a review, now would be the perfect time. Absolutely. Yeah. And if you mention Robbie's laugh, you increase the percentage.

SPEAKER_03 55:04

You increase the statistic that I'm about to get.

SPEAKER_02 55:06

And then for episode 200, we can do this again.

SPEAKER_03 55:10

I reckon percentage you're looking for.

SPEAKER_02 55:12

Uh you can have number or percentage. I've done both.

SPEAKER_03 55:14

Oh gosh. Typical you.

SPEAKER_02 55:16

Prepared.

SPEAKER_01 55:17

Uh 15%.

SPEAKER_02 55:20

Uh that's very good. It is 16%. 16%? Okay. Very, very impressive. Oh, there we go.

SPEAKER_03 55:29

Which is seven reviews. It was way lower than I expected. Okay, yeah, that is lower than I expected. No, the reason I went so low was because if my laugh had been mentioned in the review, it would definitely be Robbie's review of the week. And I'm not talking about my laugh every week.

SPEAKER_02 55:45

Someone who I suspect works for EcoSurety have said we have not heard from the sponsors. So uh special thank you to our sponsor, EcoSurity, who are on a mission to rid the world of unnecessary packaging. They help brands navigate the tricky world of extended produced responsibility, but that is not all. They also do some other incredible things. I forgot. They also help brands collaborate. No, oh god. I was so close as well. That was like nearly very close. That was nearly loose. Okay. Uh thanks, eco surety. Anyway, yes, as we were talking about your laugh, um, elephant seal, someone choking on a chestnut, you made Ethel want to rip her ears off. People love your laugh. Or hate it. They have feelings about my laugh, shall we say? So look, guys, you have stuck with us to the end. Um and we really, really want to reward that enthusiasm. So I am going to announce that I have a book, which you will know because we've introduced myself as author of the rubbish book for a hundred, which I think I'm going to drop. Oh. What are you going to call yourself now? I think I'm just going to say hello, I'm James Piper. I don't know. I just think it's a bit weird. The podcast is now bigger than the book. So it feels a bit weird to be like author of the rubbish book. And so we're rewarding you for sticking around because I have a hundred books to give away to a hundred listeners because it's our Android episode. So, and I've got quite a few books, and I would like to give them to Bibluencers. So we can't really, because of time zones and all sorts of things, I can't really commit to every Bibluencer here. But if you want a copy of the rubbish book, email talkingrubbishpodcast at gmail.com with your name, address, and put in the subject line book so that I can distinguish it from other emails we get. Now I'm gonna say this if we get more than a hundred, I think I'm just gonna randomly pick a hundred people. Yeah. Because otherwise there's all sorts of like the people here listening live have an advantage over people who hear the episode next week. So yeah. If you want a copy of the rubbish book, you know, signed with we've got some stickers we can give away, all sorts of things. Um then just pop me an email, subject linebook, talkingrubbish podcast at gmail.com with your name and address. And then at the end of next week, I'll work out how many people have asked. If 100 people have asked, simple. If more than 100 people have asked, less simple. If it's like 110, I'll give away 110 books. But it felt neat for 100 an episode.

SPEAKER_03 58:14

Yeah, no, that's fair.

SPEAKER_02 58:15

Now, uh, this book is worth 999, that is the current cost. And so I asked for one thing in exchange for your free book, and that is to tell three people about the podcast. You don't have to get them to listen, and I'm not gonna track this in any way, shape, or form, but and I'm sure influencers do this anyway. Yeah. But in exchange for a free book, we'd like to grow a little bit. So if you could tell three people about the podcast, the book is yours for free. When we started this podcast, we genuinely thought a few friends and colleagues would listen. We didn't think we'd be sat here a hundred episodes later with listeners in 176 countries, over 300,000 downloads, people sending us pictures of biscuit wrappers. You know who you are. We're currently talking about the recyclability of a pack of ginger nuts on Discord.

SPEAKER_01 58:59

If you're not on our Discord, join the Discord. Gotta join that Discord. It's so fun.

SPEAKER_02 59:04

Thank you all so much. It means a lot. And as always, thank you all for listening. Thank you for the reviews and engagement. We love getting the opportunity to do this podcast. Whether you've listened to one episode or a hundred, I don't even know where I'm meant to be looking. Where am I meant to be looking? Over here. Whether you've listened to one episode or all a hundred, thank you for spending time with us. Thank you to everyone who's emailed, reviewed, joined the Discord, commented on videos, sent us stories, corrected our mistakes, and generally encourage two people to keep talking about rubbish. There is nothing left for me to say other than see you next binding. Bye. Bye.